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22 Feb 2013



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Nice speech, dear Elias. I´m totally agree with you.

02 Mar 2013

Excellent and valid points by all [thanx Tjeerd for providing the platform, Manos for the interesting "contamination” theory and of course Alex for lighting the fuse! ] that goes to show that there is not such a thing as absolute truth or absolute right… and that’s what makes us cartoonists! Always critical… always analytical… always sensitive… and when these qualities are not employed in our work then it becomes something else… Agitprop perhaps… which is fine [especially if you agree with it] but it’s not free spirited, independent cartooning

02 Mar 2013

Dear Elias, I read your note, I understand perfectly, thanks.

01 Mar 2013

Dear Tjeed, I also agree with you, these are opinions that help us to understand, appreciate and use symbols that often have religious connotations.

01 Mar 2013

Manos, I agree with you, interesting "contamination theory".

01 Mar 2013

I'd like to add to the conversation my "contamination theory", for example, if i see someone with ancient greek symbols t-shirt walking around Athens -unless a tourist- i get a pretty good idea about where he ideologically belongs... it is the repetition in the use of some symbols that gets them "contaminated" by the user ideology and acts... to avoid this, states have laws forbidding the use of their symbols, but the state itself is the first to infringe these laws... If for example israel permits the use of its religious symbol by it's army for example... it is its fault the star gets "contaminated" by it's army actions... and a contaminaded symbol is as good aim for satire

01 Mar 2013

Hey Elias, hope you do not mind me continuing the conversation, I think it's an interesting one. You raise valid points, although I probably would understand the cross as a reference to denmark if the Danish flag was the only one in the world to feature it; the same applies to the Turkish flag. But my suggestion would be that we, as cartoonists, could come up with the convention to draw the star of David always with horizontal lines above and below when referencing the state of Israel, and without if we are referencing the religion. That would go a long way in foregoing the discussion about anti-Semitism vs. legitimate critique of Israeli politics.

01 Mar 2013

Hey Tjeerd… I believe that flags and nationalities are one thing, religions and people of this or that faith is another thing. The Star of David is a “prominent feature on the flag of Israel” yes, of course, as is the cross a “prominent feature” on the flag of Danemark, Sweden, Greece, etc… but if you saw a cartoon with a soldier, ball and chain, etc with a cross would you think Danemark, etc or would you understand that it represents Christians and/or Christianity? As is the crescent moon a “prominent feature” in the flag of Turkey, Tunisia, Pakistan, etc… but if you saw a cartoon with a soldier, ball and chain, etc with a crescent moon would you think Turkey, etc or would you understand that it represents Muslims and/or Islam?
And Alex I am glad you are not anti-Semitic. Please also read my note above to Tjeerd. Best wishes from me too.

01 Mar 2013

Dear Tjeerd thanks for your explanation, I agree with your point of view. Best

01 Mar 2013

it is an interesting point, Elias. For me it was immediately clear that Alex meant the state Israel because of the blue color of the star. But in general it is problem with depicting the star of David, as it is both a religious symbol and a symbol for Israel (and the wider problem of the separation between criticizing Israeli policies and anti-Semitism). What do you think about the image by Fadi Abou Hassan featured in the 'Latest News' on the homepage? He also just uses a start of David to indicate the state of Israel (as many Arab cartoonists do). Personally, I think it is fair to use this symbol, as it is the most prominent feature on the flag of Israel. If the flag of Israel would not have a Star of David, the use of this symbol would clearly refer to the religion instead of politics, and would indeed be anti-Semitic. Well, that's my perspective.

01 Mar 2013

Hello Dear Elias!, of course I am not anti-Semitic at all. I drew the star only because the name and dedication of the cartoon, expresses a very specific situation as the arrest of a Palestinian colleague by Israeli forces. Best wishes.

26 Feb 2013

I suppose you meant to draw an israeli flag and only by mistake you drew just a star of David. I can not believe you wanted to make an antisemitic statement...

26 Feb 2013

Thank you Fadi and Manos.

22 Feb 2013

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22 Feb 2013

Yes all We´re supporting you, dear Mohammad Saba'aneh! ..... thanks alot dear Alex

22 Feb 2013

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