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Pitch Discuss: Jos Valdmans "Another Greek Tragedy" Cartoon

This cartoon was created by Australian cartoonist Jos Valdman for the Adelaide Advertiser.

On social media today he got caned for it with many calling it "tasteless" and a "mockery of Greece".

As a cartoonist who creates work in the face of tragedy, I often draw on historical examples of a nations bravery as a tribute. I believe Jos Valdman was referring to the bravery of the Greek people, in this case referencing their ancient past when fighting fires. It wasn't a slander on modern Greek firefighters either.

Would be interesting to hear colleagues opinion on this.

27 Jul 2018



Comments

Thanks for replying Antonio..
I totally agree

29 Jul 2018

__ Button (Off discussion):
I had to go on my phone to find it. Now I see it here too. Never noticed it before. Thanks.

__ Divisions:
I wasn't here when the split you mention happened. Like everywhere else. Political polarisation. Hate for the other opinion is rampant. And sanctimonious cartoonists don't seem to escape it. I guess you lost the votes when you had been identified as one too much on the other side.
I'm against that.
I comment or vote on good cartoons, even if I disagree with in terms of opinion. I rarely see those come do the same on my cartoons.

__ $:
I'm not sure how the selections are done here, but the editors' choice seems prevalent to the popularity of a cartoon. I've seen a cartoon with over 24 votes being left out for a cartoon with less than 10 votes.
The selected cartoons with political content seem one-sided.
At a certain point, is it sustainable to feed a site with your work when the selection is ideological and no money comes from it?

__ Mission:
I wasn't here before the split you mention. Somewhere CM cites it's mission as showing diversity. I see geographical diversity, and that's a good thing. I haven't seen much of a diversity of choice in critical political views in the weekly selected cartoons.

__ Aligned:
it's like for other sites, it's creating a space for 1 single opinion. Politely questionning some cartoonists on their questionnable interpretations can get you in hot water right away. I experienced it a few times here, with the more sanctimonious ones of course. C'mon!

__ Truth:
In these ideological times truth becomes secondary. The more ideological ones are more attached to a narrative than truth. Not anchored in facts anymore. Mainstream lies non-stop. You contradict mainstream, you don't get published. Nicely done... But it's so rotten, it won't last, it's in panic mode, obviously.

28 Jul 2018

Keep up the great work NEMO... Tell the truth in your cartoons, and people will respect that... eventually. I mourn the days on here of getting 32 votes for one of my cartoons, and mid-twenties on numerous occasions.
That "In Guns We Trust" cartoon I posted yesterday last year got 18 votes in the first few hours after I put it up.... Those days are gone I'm afraid, and a lot have fallen by the wayside because of the political divisions.

28 Jul 2018

It's there. Click on "Newsroom" and make sure it's set on "Main" subroom ( over on the left side ).
It'll be on the top right side. Well at least I hope so.

28 Jul 2018

(O-kay. I don't have it for some reason (platform?). Well, the mystery remains for me...)

Thanks for bringing this subject though. Censorship is all-over now for whatever reason pleases whatever group.

27 Jul 2018

Top right-hand corner.

27 Jul 2018

"Hot list"? ... Where?

27 Jul 2018

Yep. By the way NEMO, your Rouhani and Trump cartoon is number one on the Hot list, in case you hadn't seen it.
:)

27 Jul 2018

I totally agree.

27 Jul 2018

They see cartoony figures, caricature = mocking... for fun, you can't make fun of serious situations, etc. You have to accept their ignorance and/or different interpretation/reaction to things, and let go. Social media are like any mob, the more people the dumber it gets. Cheers.

27 Jul 2018

I am incredulous. How in any way is this a mockery of Greece? These figures are not cavorting around naked doing cartwheels. They're putting out a fire with sheer hard work and determination.

27 Jul 2018

Here's a news report on this:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-27/newspaper-apologises-for-greek-fire-cartoon/10043358

27 Jul 2018

I totally agree, it is more than anything a tribute to the bravery of the Greek people in the face of such a challenge, in this case the terrible fire. In social networks and media there are many criteria, and many of them take as offense a humoristic interpretation of the situation, and criticism comes as waves. I hope, as NEMO says, we have a firm stance in our convictions, and we do not allow ourselves to be influenced by these voices, especially if it is in a solidary and well-intentioned work, like this one. A big hug, dear Pete and NEMO.

27 Jul 2018

Obviously, it's not a mockery.
But for most, not used to cartoons, it might look disrespectful, because it looks childish for them = not serious.
It's ignorant talk. We shouldn't let social noise dictate us.

27 Jul 2018

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