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Pitch Under financial occupation

In Greece, unemployed, homeless and suicides are increasing at a dramatic pace. But as he proclaimed our commander Mr Raichenmpach, the "serious investors" do not come to Greece because it has not reached to the bottom yet ! We are still expensive. It should be completely impoverished to bring the "SERIOUS INVESTORS" to buy us.

30 Nov 2011



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Dear Miguel I totally agree with you!!

02 Dec 2011

Dear Sofia, I warned you about prejudgements on the use of stereotypes, it was a question of time, there you go hehehe.

Dear vasiliki, I think the real genious is the one who's able to dinamite stereotypes through the ironical use of them, that's using them as a self-destructive parody.
Avoiding them as a taboo is a sign of repressive victorian mentality which indirectly contributes to inmortalise them, precisely because through taboo conception we feed their untouchable sacrality, and we feed the stereotype to continue existing as an untouchable issue, rule nº one to avoid when being a cartoonist, in my opinion. but this is something that not everyone is yet able to understand, specially if not familiarised with humour. is the cancer pf political correctness and censore.

Dear Spiros, I count on your good job.make us dream, oreooooos!

01 Dec 2011

Dear Vandersmaa. first of all I'm sorry to tell you that I didn't have the guts to end up reading your kilometrical post, too long for the time we can deliver to the site. however I read enough to realise that you haven't evolutioned about the concept of stereotype, its meaning in graphic humour and its value as an instrument of exploding expression. I remember I had already this discussion in my forum about hitler and the spanish cucumbers, and I had the chance to refresh the philosophy talking about it with sofia. getting to this point, I think we're speaking different languages, and for sure, allow me to say, yours doesn't look to me very abled professionaly to get the subtility of the concept we mean when talking about stereotype, not because of your external situation in the sphere of graphic humour, but because of the prejudices that I can see you carry on your back, regarding history and metaphoric loads of the image applied to graphic expression, therefore, and after other confrontations I get to the conclussion that we speak different languages. Politically talking I can also appreciate that you kept attached to the old "right-left" divission of politics, therefore I assume you haven't realised that 2nd world war's terminology applied to policies is obsolete. My belief is that today we're in front of a political jerarchy which cannot be defined anymore as right or left. in my country and in any others (including yours, I'm sorry), traditional right or left parties are reacting to the economical crisis exactly in the same terms. those are submitted to the beliefs and needs of a bank system that dominates over any other social need. that's the bankocracy, if you want an improvised definition. your division of ideologies sounds to me pretty old fashioned and therefore also in those terms we would be speaking irreconciliable languages. what can i say, I hope you will get to develop those concepts further away from from your cultural limits, which we al suffer in our way. in the mean time i recommend you, if you allow me, a big dose of sense of humour, not just in your terms.
dankeschön mein freund :-)

01 Dec 2011

Guys keep up the good work ! @sofia mamalinga you're a natural born cartoonist as most of you guys are. we're enjoying your work very much. @ miguel villalba sanchez nice idea about the mediterranean movement ! @ vandersmaa i think you've been offensive to cartoon movement artists. at least try to do it through YOUR work and not in a so directly manner.it's .....awkward (i'm soft these days...)

01 Dec 2011

dear Vandersmaa, cartoons work with symbols no matter how cliche is that. I can understand to use different symbols - not so cliche - is interesting and to avoid them completely is maybe genious... What I don't understand is your ironic and angry tone: " A cartoon that only wants to insult and has NOTHING to say about the current situation. Nothing. (You don't seriously think Merkel is a Nazi, do you?)" when the cartoonist's statement is very clear: " Under financial occupation".

01 Dec 2011

""There is hardly any leftist party in power anywhere in Europe today - three years after the near collapse of capitalism!!! Please make a cartoon to explain THAT to me."
You don't mind if I pick that challenge up, do you? :)

01 Dec 2011

Dear Vandermaa.
Thank you that you spend your time to write about my cartoon. It's relly interesting to hear differant opinion about how a cartoonist must critisize a situation. Inspite my opinion is very different, I find it very useful. Anyway, I have explain already twice, there is nothing like "Greeks against Germans". Not from my side at least. The critisism is about dominating and cruel politics of a rich to a poor. Seems that history repeat nightmares...

01 Dec 2011

Sigh.

I came to "Cartoon Movement" because I'm a fan of Matt Bors' work (and I'm very disappointed that I hardly ever see ANYTHING here that matches Matt's class). A while ago, in a piece about a discussion in the American media about President Obama being depicted as a monkey, which was considered racist by many people, Matt wrote: if you cannot draw a cartoon about black people without depicting them as monkeys, you shouldn't draw a cartoon about black people.
Well, I want to pick that up and say: if you cannot make a cartoon about Germans without depicting Germans as Nazis, then you shouldn't make a cartoon about Germans.

But I see, in horror, that we're in the middle of the renationalisation of Europe; this should be about the rich vs the poor, and "fat cats" of global mega-banks vs little shopkeepers; instead it's about Greeks vs Germans. Well fine, if we want it to be that way, it will be that way. But keep in mind, in wars, again, it's the poor people who suffer and the rich people who make the profits. On all sides.

But I don't want to spoil your fun, so here are a few suggestions for further cartoons in above style:
lazy Mexicans (they are even lazier than Greeks, haha); lazy Africans (they are even lazier than Mexicans, haha); greedy Jews; Africans being cannibals (this is the 21rst century, but of course you can still depict Africans with huge lips and a bone in their hair, haha); French men always being sex-crazy; English men being super gay; gay people being puffs; handicapped people (or, as you should be allowed to call them: retards) being super clumsy; blond women being stupid... etcetera etcetera
Endless possibilities! Old clichees ALL can live forever - if only we want them to!!!

By the way, only recently there have been elections in Spain. Talking about criticizing one's own country before pointing fingers! Guess what, Spanish people made a bloody conservative their new prime minister! There is hardly any leftist party in power anywhere in Europe today - three years after the near collapse of capitalism!!! Please make a cartoon to explain THAT to me. Well, I guess again Miss Merkel, continuing Hitler's work, is to blame. And not the complete impotence of the political left.

P.S.: NOOOO, I am NOT German. And that's not the fucking point. What I just wrote is about the aesthetic quality and the mindset of cartoons. And it's an awful double standard to complain about that "Focus" cover work and then draw a cartoon like THAT. A cartoon that only wants to insult and has NOTHING to say about the current situation. Nothing. (You don't seriously think Merkel is a Nazi, do you?)

No disrespect intended for any of you, honestly, as far as your work is considered in general.
(Although I STILL think comparing the destruction of cucumbers to gassing jewish people is disgusting and completely intolerable. But that's what some people call "humourless". I can live with that.)

01 Dec 2011

Dear Miguel, I have many friends from Germany, and all are very nice and have very free mind. I have no bad feelings for anyone, from any country because I know that all people whant the same things to feel safe, free and happy. History teaches that power does not last. Dominating others to have more, in future you will be in a very unpleasant situation. I enjoyed this conversation and I hope my humor not be misunderstood.

30 Nov 2011

I watched the video. Bad, vulgar, and highly discriminative and ignorant humour, if it can be called so, nevertherless there's a reason why they were denominated down here "barbarians", if we have to joke about stereotypes hahaha. the quality of that TV program is quite consonant to the international reputation of german sense of humour,inexistent actually (oops, another stereotype!). what can I say, this kind of attitudes don't help to international understanding. Things can be expressed with clever humour (this should be our duty). frankly if that was their goal they've miserably failed.the only thing is, if certain people develope this kind of prejudice in the german mass media to feed negative feelings against greeks they might wake up feeling really unconfortable in their second residences (talking about the colonisation of mallorca, menorca, ibiza, sardinia, crete, lesbos, itaka, etc.). I guess many local people around would have a lot to say about the incivil manners of a lot of them, and I'm sure the average german wouldn't like to be identified with the etiquette of the fat dirty drunk bad mannered tourist. people living there could think so, but we know this cannot define germans as a whole, or we cannot reduce their cultural contribution to the world refeering to pork sausaces and augustiner pilsner, not to mention their philosophers, who's speech was 100% re-elaborated from greek philosophers (Goethe himself recognised the plagium of the hellenic spirit to build the germanic idealism) not to mnetion either other less grateful aspects of the german stereotype. Therefore stereotype must be used as a tool to destroy itself, a good joke, using the stereotype in the proper way, selfdestroys the stereotype itself. and in the end is about ignorance, not nations, but if the public resources of a nation are used to feed the ignorance then it can become a real problem (see the Berlusconian Italy). A toast to the good germans and all those cultures who's structure is literally copied of the hellenic school.to remind them that history is something not to forget, specially in such a mediocre way. stin igia sas!

30 Nov 2011

Thank you Vassiliki

30 Nov 2011

Hola Miguel! You 're right. I Know the story about spanish cucumbers and I enjoyed your cartoon. Cartoonist should not be afraid to express there opinion and we do not blaim people from any country, but political games of power and greed wich cause so much suffering. Greeks have suffered greatly from these policies in all their history, but do not lose their humor. First satirize themselves for their mistakes(wich are many) and then others. Besides the satire was born here, Aristophanes does not exclude anyone, even Socrates from his caustic humor and it's too sad to watch German television broadcasts saying that Greeks the only thing that offered in History is sodomism! See the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_-zqE9_lto
I' m thankfull for this conversation.

30 Nov 2011

guys congratulations for your cartoons (excellent) and your ideas! totaly agree with you

30 Nov 2011

Totally shameful. shame on the unprofessional chef editors of that mediocre magazine. on the other side we're already used to this lack of respect and lack of apology in front of theses facts, even when it is demonstrated that big mistakes have been accomplished. the case of the spanish cucumbers, creating a break down in the agricultural economy is a good example. they never even declamed a public "sorry" for their devastating stupidity. I wonder if a government with a total lack of diplomacy or objectivity to recognise its mistakes is in capacity or credibility to take decisions that affect other countries where legaly don't have any kind of authority. The fact is that the german government must be forgetting that after the 2nd world world Greece was one of the countries to "forgive" their debts adquired in the war. withput that greek "mercy" for them their reconstruction would have been indeed far slower or even not possible.Will that bully attitude be an echoe of the iferiority or revenge complex heritated by german government since 1st world war?some behaviours push us to think that way, unfortunately. anyway, I guess is politic and bank speculation, fortunately clever people in any country, with an average culture, realises about the absurdity of it all.
Let's create a party for the mediterranean union then! I'll bring the "rioja" wine and we make a good toast, "to the stereotype" hehehe! hugs!

30 Nov 2011

Dear Miguel, here is the links for Focus covers. This case went to court.

http://mags360.com/news-currentaffairs/germany-focus-magazines-new-greece-cover-controversy/

http://www.e-go.gr/news/article.asp?catid=17826&subid=2&pubid=128874903

Thank you very much for your interest. I totaly agree with you about mediterranean union!

30 Nov 2011

tell me about those covers of FOCUS magazine?I don't know about it and I'm curious!

30 Nov 2011

Thank you my friend for your good words and
advice. I hope not to offend anyone with my sketch. In any case I do not want to touch people, but politics. Some figures function as symbols that express those politics and remind us painful situations (But do not forget the covers of FOCUS magazine for Greece.)

30 Nov 2011

First of all my vote pal! second tell you that you might have problems with some people for the image, you know, some are still susceptible about the images of certain historical charachters and especially the association of them to a nation,so be ready.it happened to me a few months ago with one of my cartoons (you can check it in my gallery and recognise soon,, hehehe). The fact is that only exploiting stereotipes under a certain point of view they might disappear, but not everyone is ready to understand this. I n my case I don't have any kind of tabu when it comes to use those charachters as a metaphore of abusive policies, no matter if those policies come from germany, Patagonia, Tripoli or Andorra. I totally agree with you about the double ethics of Merkel's policies in the E.U ans crisis management. first of all because she easily forget the responsability that germany has in the actuals situation of Greece ( unappropiated invests of the bundesbank, weapon selling, etc.), second because there has not been a referendum to check if the european population in every country agrees to be represented by foreign politicians on their knees to Goldman Sachs. if price to independence and national dignity is to get out of euro I personally would give a welcome to bad times for the rise up and dracma, or peseta, or lira...etc. In the meantime we could do the 2 speed europe thay talk about. what about a mediterranean union? at least we could understand each other throug excellent wine and fine gastronomy, which is always more promising than a europe slave of the bank speculators, hahaha. sygjaritiria fili mou!

30 Nov 2011

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