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Oppression? Tradition? (2)

Oppression? Tradition? (2)

This cartoon is a reaction to the cartoon 'Oppression? Tradition?' by Jean Gouders, and shows another side of the debate about banning burqas, oppression, and freedom.

15 Apr 2011



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No one should have the freedom to enslave...

01 Jul 2011

Thanks vitali, thanks Sherif!

14 Apr 2011

thanks Pavel :-)

14 Apr 2011

Bravo Miguel !!!

14 Apr 2011

yes Tjeerd. is so complicated that would deserve to be analised individually case by case.then we would get into deeper debates, like where is the freedom concept coming from in every culture? patriarcalism?religion?ECONOMY?...here in western countries everyday people gets abused through some discriminations coming from the extreme capitalistic system, like social status related with bank account, and its consequent power to influence society through it. the market law will say though that this is our symbol of freedom, free market, private property, etc...while in many aspects this is creating a society in which power and richness is more an more unequally distributed, also about natural resources, therefore we accept those social limitations as a normal aspect in our society. wouldn't be a bit a similar case about chastity impositions accepted by women, through symbols that could be considered repressive like burka?In the XIX century afroamericans used to accept their slavery condition like part of an unchangeable system and so their behaviour adapted to the social reality...every culture is submitted to its own masked repression.how to evaluate objectively this matter, specially when confronting 2 different civilisations?taugh.

14 Apr 2011

The classic liberal concept of freedom states that freedom stretches until it infringes on someone else's freedom. This concept is focused on individual freedom, which in my opinion outweighs collective freedom. So collective freedom would be freedom of religion and associated traditions, and this is limited when it infringes on the freedom of an individual (in this case, a woman forced to wear certain clothing). If wearing a burqa is an individual choice however, this is an assertion of individual freedom (although i don't think this is the case with the majority of women wearing burqas.

14 Apr 2011

Kalliope, yes, excellent Voltaire sentence. but here we find again the conflictive concept of freedom. where is my freedom ending to beggin yours? 2 different cultures with different concepts of freedom. what is the power of women's point of view in both cultures?It sounds to me like some freedom concepts are more influenced by a male point of view. I don't want to compare, but female castration is also a question of tradition and correctness in some countries. wouldn't you discuss it in your own?and then, would you feel like betraying the constitutional rules of your culture?reaaally complicated.

14 Apr 2011

Gracias Saúl! I think is interesting equilibrate perspectives to keep the different aspects on the light.no matter which ones.

14 Apr 2011

heel erg bedankt Jean!

14 Apr 2011

mtv134, is burka as a clothing with its meaning regarding concepts of chastity or patriarcalism a symbol of freedom for women?in countries where certain debates haven't been done for sure is out of discussion its social correctness, but in France obviously the perspective changes, and french laws defend their concept of freedom and gender equality. different countries, different cultures.different laws. I wonder what would really be the opinion of burka wearing of eastern women if they really would feel totally free to talk about. The perspective of eastern women is lacking here. that gives me the idea for another cartoon. men with burka for chastity purposes too. after all, men can also be object of luxury don't they?...reaaally complicated! :P

14 Apr 2011

Dear Miguel, it belongs mainly to the French tradition Voltaires' saying: ''I detest what you write (wear), but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write (wear it)''. I appreciate though very much your differentiated aspect and excellent sketch.

14 Apr 2011

If the French do not like the Niqab then ok it is their country and they are free to do whatevery they wish there but then let them not talk about freedom of women anymore.

14 Apr 2011

Agree with you Miguel. In fact this issue about the woman dress is actually taking too much effort and energy from societies that are developing and need all the energy it has to build and modernize. for that I again say let everybody decide on what he/she want to wear and lets focus on the real issues that are threats to the local society or the human race. And this is why most people here are shocked with the laws in France and some other places in Europe that prevent the "Muslim" woman dress and they consider it a step back on the path of freedom which such countries preach.

14 Apr 2011

Fantastic work that make us think deeper about this controversial issue. Congrats.

14 Apr 2011

Now that's another truth! :)

14 Apr 2011

Spiros, pame pameee, oreoooos...

14 Apr 2011

mtv134, I say the same. the problem is to consider to what extension they are free to choose depending on the country they live, their role gender in it, and considering where ends protection of tradition and beggins human rights. it should be something to consider individually, case by case. reaaaally complicated I guess.A debate opened in europe a long ago. I don't know if is time to open it also in other places, if i'd ask so i would be accused of ethnocentrism probably, but is unavoidable to open it in places were the local constitution establish some basic statements about freedom of speech or gender equality.However I realise the gender affaire is just the top of the iceberg, behind that polemic we can find several aspects of social interest related to security, religion...and of course a lot of individuals ready to instrumentalise those!such is human nature...

14 Apr 2011

Cartoon debate! Yeiiiii! :-)

14 Apr 2011

I say let the women wear whatever they chose to wear wither in Muslim countries or anywhere else in the world.

14 Apr 2011

Good point

14 Apr 2011

Interesting

14 Apr 2011

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