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Inspired by President Nixon's 1971 State Of The Union speech which mentions an "expansionary" budget he was submitting to Congress: a "full employment budget". Full-employment budget? I thought back: EPA? Detente with the Soviets? Healthcare program compromise with Ted Kennedy? "Wow," I thought, "was Nixon, on balance, more progressive than Obama?" Sure, Nixon dragged out a war that hardly anybody wanted, bombed civilians, surveilled and harassed dissidents, and sponsored coups and assassinations all over the world, but hasn't Obama also done this?

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24 Feb 2012



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EL MISMO JARABE... EN OTRO PASIENTE

25 Feb 2012

hey , but he's the noble prize for peace, right? :P

25 Feb 2012

Oh, I hadn't forgotten about Cambodia or Laos; I was about 13 or 14 years old back then, and remember it quite well. Still, I had to edit this short and sweet, otherwise, the text would've gone on forever and the drawings would've been really tiny; as it is, the text takes up almost two-thirds of the page.
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As far as healthcare goes... m'eehhh, I don't know. The problem with the personal mandate is that it comes down hardest on people who are poorest, who are stuck having to buy really cheap insurance plans that really don't do them any good -- never mind the whole idea of delivering a huge captive "customer base" to corporations. I remember during the '08 Democratic primaries, when healthcare reform was discussed, and the idea of personal mandates was brought up, and the inevitable question of what to do about poor people who become sick and injured came up. As I recall, Obama originally suggested heavy fines for them, while Hillary Clinton suggested garnishing their wages. It was disgusting, like something out of a Dickens novel. I was surprised that neither of them suggested forcing poor people who couldn't pay their hospital to "work off" the cost of their treatment, like in "Aeon Flux". It's also worth remembering that despite the slant of politicians and the media, the issue wasn't people without insurance, but people without access to _healthcare_. You could be stuck working some shit-wage burger-flipping job, and have to give up a chunk of your already-meager wages to pay for equally-meager health insurance, and still be screwed out of access to healthcare by the insurance companies.

It's also worth noting that the compromise between Sen. Kennedy and Nixon was an actual compromise, in which there's genuine give and take between sides, and each side comes away with a fair chunk of what they originally wanted -- as opposed to Obama's compromise, in which he gave away the store just so he could tell us that the Democrats got a healthcare reform bill passed.

Also, as I recall, during the 1974 negotiations, "single-payer" was actually on the table for consideration; Sen. Kennedy had made a career out of fighting for national healthcare in the US. By contrast, during the 2009 "debate", single-payer wasn't even brought up, despite the fact that in poll after poll, a sizeable percentage of Americans were at least willing to consider a single-payer national healthcare system. In fact, not only was single-payer not "on the table", but at the initial hearings, healthcare professionals attempting to speak up in favor of single-payer were forcibly removed from the hearing room and placed under arrest.

And, btw... yes, both are among the most disgraceful Presidencies in the history of the USA. I still found myself darkly amused by the irony of Nixon, considered a conservative, established the EPA and submitted a "full employment budget" to Congress, while Obama -- ostensibly a "progressive" -- allowed an oil corporation to ruin the ecosystems of the Gulf Of Mexico, and is clearly a stooge of corporate and banking interests.

24 Feb 2012

Yes ...! agree ... Obama is worse because it was presented as the savior of the disaster of two Bushes ... But (and forgive me for my view from outside), none is better for me .......

24 Feb 2012

"Both are worse !!!!"

No argument there, but I just couldn't resist the irony when I thought about the establishment of EPA, detente, the healthcare deal, and the "full employment budget".

24 Feb 2012

You left out Cambodia for Nixon, which paved the way for the Khmer Rouge. Correct on much re: Obama, but not "Obamacare." Without some sort of health care mandate, those without coverage get sicker and die faster than those with coverage. And in the U.S., that group without insurance tends to be the economically disadvantaged. Republicans used to agreed with that, or at least, Mitt Romney used to.

24 Feb 2012

: )

24 Feb 2012

Both are worse !!!!

24 Feb 2012

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